Ask An Atheist
There Is No God.
That’s a pretty powerful statement. To most people this evokes emotions deep to our core. We are so entangled in our beliefs that the idea that a person can live a happy, healthy life with out the need of religion or faith is somehow wrong to us. This is so alien to us that people (in extreme cases) will alienate others for even thinking it. Why? Because the idea of God is very much ingrained in culture. It is taught to us as absolute truth, and those who deviate from that “truth” are deviating from us (ie bad).
Now am I asserting that the statement above is absolute truth? No, I can’t know that, that is beyond my reasonable capabilities as a human, and I accept that. I simply make the statement to illustrate a point. Be honest, did you have an emotional reaction? (defensive if any?) It’s nature, don’t be ashamed. We want to believe in God. It gives us hope, it gives us answers where there are none. And to many it gives peace. But just because we want to believe in God… Doesn’t mean he exists. This is a path of questioning many people now are going to.
I first started seriously questioning the idea of God about a decade ago. Since then I have received a lot of questions about what I believe in, how I could believe in it, where my morals are,ect . There seems to be a trend… Most people do not know what it means to be an atheist. This is a problem, because if we are to cooperate as human beings, we must understand each other, learn from each other, and be willing to challenge our idea against each other with no spite or anger. I present this to you. I will give you commonly asked questions and misconceptions about Atheism and Agnosticism, and reasonable, logical answers in hopes that if you do read this, you will walk away with some better understand of what we believe. Please, feel free to make your own blog, explaining what you believe, I would be more than happy to read it.
First, a background. I am a strong agnostic. I believe that the possibility of the existence a Deity, and the possibility of the the universe working on it’s own according to no intelligent force are equal and valid principles. In short, I believe that God both exists and does not exist (Or at least I am open to either possibility). I have spent years in informal theological debate, and have seen almost every argument that theists and atheists currently have in their arsenal. I fervently argue either side in the attempts to try to level the issue, and force others to explain their position.
Please remember, as you are reading this, that I (personally) take no sides in this issue. That for sake of argument I assume an atheistic position to explain, to the best of my abilities, the beliefs, the values, and the understanding of a responsible atheist.
So onto the questions.
Why Don’t You Believe In My God? How Can You Not Believe In Any God? Do You Hate God?
- For the same reason I don’t believe in Santa Claus, or the Tooth Fairy. I see religion as another story, one that may help people, may give morals, but still, when the message digested, the need for the story is over. I ask you, why don’t believe in any other God than yours? When you answer that question, you might be closer to understanding how I feel.
- The reason I assume there is no higher power is because I don’t see the necessity for a higher power. Ockham’s Razor states, “entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem” (entities must not be multiplied unnecessarily)(Wikipedia, Occam’s Razor). Paraphrased: “In any given situation, the simplest answer is most often the correct one.” Now it may be easier cognitively to assume that there was a designer, instead of the universe forming out of probability. But logically it becomes difficult. In order to test logic one must assign numbers and equations to certain phenomenon. We can give a number to the likelihood of any event. But you can’t give an equation for God. And to put God into any equation would not simplify it, it would complicate the equation needlessly. It is just simpler to assume that the universe formed on it’s own, instead of being formed by a being we cannot cognitively conceive, reasonably prove, or measure it’s parameter’s.
- Do you hate Ganesha? Do you hate the Buddha? No, you don’t believe in them, what is the reason to hate them? Same principle with use, we aren’t rebelling, we don’t hate God, we don’t believe in him.
How do you have morals outside of God? How do you reference your morals without the bible (or some other holy script)?
- Essentially the same place you get your morals. The majority of people do not recieve morals from God, rather from their raising. If your parents were very moral people, and it was essential to them that you were moral than it is likely that you would be raised with a certain set of morals and ethics. My morals were taught outside of God (even though I was raised Catholic). They were simply a set of basic human ethics that interweaves to encompass every conceivable moral situation.
- Most atheists will account The Golden Rule which states “Do unto others, as you would have others do unto you.” This is a good rule to live by, but it doesn’t account for all situations. So I present a model of morals that I call “The Choice and Justice Model” of Moral Behavior. This simply is the idea that one is allowed to choose freely what they do, however one’s freedom to choose ends where another’s begins. Meaning I can choose to do anything as long as my choice does not encroach on another’s choice. The second part of this model is referred to justice. If a person decides to encroach on another person’s choice they should be punished. A man rapes a woman, which is encroaching on her ability to choose who she decides to have sexual relations with. Therefor that man should be punished to discourage the action, or prevent him from performing the action again (like jail time, or salt peter).
What is the need for morals without Heaven or Hell?
- Survival of societal structures, thus the survival of the species hinges on keeping order in society. A common sense of morals insures this structure of order. This tells people what they should accept, and what they shouldn’t. What to do, and what not to do. This moral system will eventually become laws, insuring further that the morals of that society remain in tact. We need morals in order to prevent chaos. With out these essential morals, people would be permitted to doing anything they please with out consequence. And thus they would, spreading chaos through the system and toppling it.
This sounds like moral relativism. Doesn’t that mean that there is no right or wrong?
- You are correct, this is Moral Relativism. But no, what you are referring to is Moral Nihilism. This is a common mistake. Moral Relativism simply means that moral judgments are situational. There typically is a Right and Wrong choice in any moral situation. Moral Relativism simply sustains what may be the right course of action in one situation, but not in another. For example: We can all agree that killing is essentially wrong. However if you were in a situation in which it was either to kill a man, or let him kill you or others, than it is the morally correct decision to kill him.
If there is no God, Is life just purposeless? If not, what is the purpose?
- Objectively, yes. There is not objective purpose for life. We just live. We aren’t here for any particular reason, we aren’t here to do anything particular, we are just here to live.
- Purpose is purpose. In other words, the meaning of life is to live, and to effect the others around you. If you effect the world around you in a positive way, than it can be reasonably determined that you have been a success in your life. Your reward? Simply leaving the world a little bit better than you found it. That should be enough.
How can something come from nothing? What caused the Big Bang?
- Simple answer? It can’t. Something cannot come from nothing, and cannot appear in a vacuum. That is why most scientists agree that the big bang came from a singularity. Now where did that singularity come from? Depends on who you ask. M-Theory states that it was just the effect of two dimensional membranes clashing and separating from each other. Bubble theory supposes the collision and merge of two universes. And Classic Theory supposes that the singularity was just there.
- This assumes that outside of time, cause precedes effect. But if there is no time, than an effect can happen before or outside of a cause. We determine that before the singularity expanded (“banged”) there was no time. (According to the Classic Big Bang Theory.) Therefor there was no cause and effect. So nothing caused the big bang.
Are you blind? Can’t you see all the evidence of God around you?
- What evidence? Give me one piece of evidence that God exists that I can test according to the scientific method, that is falsifiable and empirical, and maybe I will consider this evidence. But it stands today there is no evidence to sustain that God exists, therefor I must assume that the possible existence of God is less substantial than the idea that god (in any form) does not exist.
Does absence of evidence imply evidence of absence?
- Certainly not. There have been many things that we could not detect, but later found out were there (case and point neutrinos). But a reasonable person must not make conjectures with out sufficient evidence. Meaning we must assume the negative (God does not exist) is true until we attain evidence of the positive (God does exist). As I have mentioned before there is no evidence sustaining the existence of God. Since theburden of proof is on the side of the Positive in any logical situation, the Negative can be assumed in lieu of the evidence of Positive. Given that it is impossible to prove a negative.
Isn’t Atheism a cowardice belief, just unable to accept God?
- Actually, Atheism is a very difficult emotionally speaking. Many people who begin to lose faith in God will account hopeless depression, anxiety, and loss of identity. Losing faith to many people is losing the foundation in which much of their life is based on. So the initial steps of Non-Belief is often times very disparaging. And it doesn’t get better from there. Then you have to accept your own mortality without the idea of the afterlife (which is very frightening), confront anybody who believes that atheism is wrong, deal with your family, the list goes on. After experiencing many of these things, I cannot imagine how being an atheist is cowardice belief. I think quite the opposite actually. Being an atheist requires a certain amount of bravery. It is much more difficult than many people imagine to be an atheist.
Why is it important to you that everyone is atheist?
- It’s not. I simply ask people to question what they believe because unquestioned belief is inherently dangerous. It can lead to atrocities, and worse yet retardation of knowledge. It matters not to me whether a person is Christian, or Hindu, or Atheist, or what have you. As long as that belief does not disallow knowledge, and does not make general assumptions that allows a person to reject information because it does not follow in their beliefs.
Doesn’t it require faith to assert that God does not exist?
- Certainly. I sustain it requires just as much (if not more) faith to assert 100% that God does not exist (Yes, I know I will get crucified by atheists for mentioning this). Conversely one must understand it is unreasonable to assume he does exist with out evidence. This is why I remain Agnostic. Faith is a logical fallacy, and therefor any assumption of faith is unreasonable and should be cast out. My disbelief is based on materialism. And thus I demand if I am to believe in a positive, than that positive must be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
Is it possible to prove a negative? If it is impossible, how do logically believe in a negative if it is unprovable?
- Yes, it is impossible to prove a negative event. While I’m not saying you can’t prove that there isn’t a spare tire on your car. I am saying that you can’t prove I didn’t go to the movies last night. You can however prove a positive that makes the negative unlikely. Like saying “You were over a a friends house all night, you couldn’t go to the movies.” This is not proving a negative, this is proving a contradicting positive, which in turn makes the negative more likely than the positive. The idea that God does not exist is a universal negative. Meaning that there is no logical way to give a contradicting positive that makes the negative more likely.
- This is much simpler than the former question. The negative is the base assumption in all forms of logic. (The Adversary court system can be used as an example. Assumption of innocence until proof of guilt). We assume the negative (something is not true) until we can receive evidence of the positive (something is true). In lamen’s terms, we don’t believe in fairies because we must logically prove fairies for us to believe they exist. Until proof of fairies comes around, we assume that fairies do not exist.
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Understand, this is not a conversion mechanism. None of this is proof of the non-existence of God. Nor intended as an argument towards God. Rather it is a way to help the logical theist to understand our point of view, just as the logical atheist must attempt to understand the logical theist point of view. As well to quell many myths and misconceptions theists have about atheists. I do this so we may understand each other and accept each other, with out the need to convert, or demean each other. The more we understand, the easier it becomes to coexist
I welcome any theist to give me an “Ask a Theist” blog in the same spirit in which I present this. Not as an argument, just as a way to understand each other. Hopefully we can quell all these myths and stick to the actual argument, with out ad hominems or basic conceptions about each other.
- Paradigm Of Thought.
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Wow! You have put into words, my own thoughts. You made it easy for me. I have some difficulty with my speech(it’s all explained in own blog)which is irrelevant to Your post,but I will suggest to ppl(family,friends..etc)to read this post,when they wonder why I won’t “pray for healing” and help with my own problems.
Thank You!…..Scott
Scott,
Now this is what makes my blog worth it. I enjoy helping people find the words to what they believe. It is important that what we believe understood, and understandable.
Please continue to read my blog, hopefully I can help put more words in your mouth.
- Paradigm Of Thought
Paradigm, I may have been somewhat hasty, with my comment. I implied your thoughts were my thoughts on this(very well written)post. But I still do think this would be a post I would want to use to explain to a person, why won’t pray for myself, as a talking point to explain. In other words,I don’t disagree or agree, or will I debate any of the point’s with you or them. I can still speak, but much slower, with hesitation.
I still do pray every day. But I will not pray for myself or preach that I know there is a God. Because if there is a God,there will a place reserved in hell for me, because that would be a lie to say I know there is a God. I truly with all my heart want to be able to believe and have faith in a God that can cure, and do all the things that could ever be possible to do. And if there is a God, He will hear my prayers for the people I Love and care for, there is more to this, that will explain the contradictions in this comment. But I think I have given a general desription, and reason to reply to your reply. Thank You!
Here is an interesting website that has some significant thoughts by an author that touches on how he sees the evolution of beliefs of society.
http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth13.html
Scott
Interesting post, PoT (can I call you PoT?
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I’d appreciate it if you could dig deeper into your “What is the need for morals without Heaven or Hell?” point. For an atheist, why is it important that “societal structures” survive? What is the core belief that leads to this conclusion?
Or, is there no belief? Is it simply in our DNA? Has natural selection shaped us to maintain society as the most efficient way to perpetuate our DNA?
Hello Jay, thank you for reading my blog. And yes, you may call me PoT, and all followers of this blog may call themselves PoTheads
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The reason that societal structures are important to atheist is purely subjective. They allow the human race to survive, and as we see it that is as good. Is it necessary that the human race survives? Not at all, the Universe got along just fine without us for 14.53 Billion years, and it will continue get along just fine with out us long after we’re all dead. However, since I am human, (See my race in my info), I do have a particular bias for the survival of the human race (I’ve become quite attached to this living thing).
You raised an interesting point. The thing is Natural Selection lead us (with out guiding us) to build societal structures. In the animal kingdom it is obvious this kind of thing happens all the time. Most animals travel in packs because of the safety that numbers brings them. Notice not too many land dwelling mammals live solitary lives, that is because the familiarity and security allows for these animals to survive (the loner animals will often die before they can transfer on their genetics.) The Loner animals that do survive would never develop language or effectively develop ideals, because of a lack of transfer of information, therefor societal structures would never be built.
I hope I have answered your question, but one more thing, you had mentioned if there is no belief. In the sense that I honestly don’t know what to belief, yes, I have no belief. I honestly think that faith is a logical fallacy (See Appeal to Belief), so I try to rid myself of such thing (However I am not always successful).
Please continue to follow my blog, I will be more than willing to clear the air and answer any questions you have.
- PoT.
Hello, again, Scott, I have to reply to your post down here, I apologize for the inconvenience. I am sorry that I implied that I put words in your mouth, I was so enthralled that I had touched another person with my words, that I hastily replied.
If you no doubt notice from my post on Schrödinger Agnosticism I share the belief of Agnosticism as well, I simply assumed the position of an atheist for the sake of this post. But that’s neither here nor there.
Thank you for your response, and I hope you will continue to read my blog, despite our differences in the subject of A.D.D. I know I still have a couple good Ideas that you will no doubt agree with.
- Paradigm of Thought.
Thank you, this we do agree on, I beleive. There is a time and a place for eveything. I find your posts are very much worth reading, despite our differences in the the subject of ADD. Intense debates can be intense no doubt.This post here on this page is not the place for that…for me.
Scott
A remarkable coincidence! Comments and replies by my daughter on her Senior Capstone Class(4th yr. pre-med).All students were assigned a different books to read and present. The latest for her was “The God Delusion”. We(She and I)haven’t gone into long discussion about it yet. And just this morning,I saw a link she posted relating to the subject. http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html?hpt=Mid
I haven’t read it yet, but I just thought this was kind of strange how she is on the same tasks at the same time.
Scott,
Thank you for the article, I found it quite tantalizing. However, considering Correlation does not imply Causation, I am cautious in believing that my intelligence and my Agnosticism is a source of either one. But I did find it interesting points the argument made. Thank you.
- Paradigm of Thought.
Paradigm, I agree with you about the article. And Correlation does not imply Causation. My daughter (according to the observations of people that know us both)is very much like me, and takes all things “With a grain of salt” that we read/hear/ via statistical surveys. She has always enjoyed the way I look at things, and the tactics I use to explain things.
Now she is an adult, and can relate to my concern about things that seamed so weird to her, when she was younger. She believes now, that I am (believe it or not..lol) a genius. If anyone is, she is the genius in the family..not me.I just look at things a little differently than most ppl do. The world is still a globe with all sorts of mystery.
Historically speaking, hasn’t genius most always been a different perspective on things? Einstein was considered genius, and he couldn’t figure out pants. Socrates was considered a genius, and he was bat-shit. The fact is genius comes in all varieties, while I don’t know you well enough to call you a genius, I can say with out a doubt that you are highly intelligent.
The universe is a big box of mysteries to us all. It’s a rubix cube with billions of colors, and you have only 54 squares: try to solve it, you can’t. And that’s the beauty of it. I mentioned the bat-shit insane Socrates before. He stated one of my favorite quotes: “I know I am wise, for I know that I know nothing.” Understanding this fact takes genius.
- Paradigm of Thought
Yes I always been one to point out the way men/women with extraordinary mental abilities, also have many personal shortcomings. One being somewhat of a social misfit.
Thank you for the complement. I have never doubted my intelligence, but I also have had a high amount of frustration in my life with myself. I have been criticized for not using this intelligence to make a contribution to something I know could benefit from it.
Well, I suppose it’s never too late to start.
Very true. It may be,(I say this in all humility)that I am a dwarf standing on the shoulders of giants, that may result in me being the one who can see farther(a proverb of 17th century poet George Herbert gave me that thought).
1 of my favorite things to say is> I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, while the green ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me. (Isaac Newton) Maybe God is in it?